Forgetting the message of Jesus, huh?

“Oh”, some Christians like to say, shaking their heads sadly, “he’s forgotten the message of Christ.”

Usually this is said about some particularly harsh and unlikeable fellow believer.

This is a rather stupid thing to say.

This is the reason.

What words of Christ are these that the speaker refers to? Certainly not the miserably life-hating Puritan understand of Jesus, or the autocratic Medieval version. Something far older, then. Something original, something that Jesus himself actually said, and what he understood he was saying.

And there’s the problem. It’s known and accepted among historians, though they seldom mention this, that the sources for what Jesus said and did are quite few: the best are the partial and fiercely partisan writings of his various later followers, written decades after his death, and each representing quite differently tampered ideas and confabulations of his life and teachings.*

Still, there’s (or so I hear) a broadish agreement on what Jesus was: Jesus of Nazareth was a prophet of the end of the world, like many other Jewish prophets of his time.

He preached his love and reform because he thought time was running out: he did not look forward to any otherworldly Heaven after death, but to a God’s kingdom on Earth that would come very soon — in those parts of the Gospels that seem most likely to be Jesus’s own words, he repeatedly proclaims that his generation would not pass away before the end came; some of those present would see it come. Then those that had reformed would be rewarded; then the others would be punished. That is why his words were so shrill and extreme — give away all you have, take no heed of tomorrow, leave your family if you must, pluck out that tempting eye, and trust in God, because time is running out. All the good things he coaxed people to do were intended to be short-term fixes, ways to be on the good side of some mystical son of God when he came with the trumps and fires of judgment.

Jesus was a prophet of an imminent apocalypse, like many others of his time, like John the Baptist with whom he most likely associated when starting his preachy career: and like every single one of those prophets, he was wrong.

The world did not end; actually, it’s nearly two thousand years later now, and the world still hasn’t ended!

Now this Christ, available to us through a careful, dispassionate examination of our sources — and dispensed in a handy, Pez-sized chunks by my passionate irritation at certain unthinking assumptions of the religious — is not the Christ whose message we so often are urged to remember. Indeed, this true Jesus is a man that has been forgotten, forgotten with a good reason: the apocalyptic prophet of today is the laughingstock of tomorrow once tomorrow dawns.

So, when noble Christians tell others to remember the words of Christ, they should remember that those words originate from a failed prophet of doom, a man who did not wish to build a better society and whose radical advice was designed to last for just a few years, a few years because he thought the end of the world was close and after that all would be fine. That was his message.

In my opinion Jesus’s words, whatever of them remains in the Bible, are not particularly praiseworthy. Some of them are fine, some too extreme to be practical, some are utterly monstrous. And this is to be expected, since he did not wish to build a better society, or base his words on closely argued ideas of good societies and lasting relations. He was an unexceptional prophet of doom with only short-term goals, a man whose words began to be altered, misinterpreted and perverted for partisan ends the moment he died: eventually he became the God of a religion he would not have recognized, in a time he did not think would come.

If one absolutely needs to do a namedrop for a mention of the Golden Rule, Confucius is a much better choice.

At the very least Confucius, though his teachings no doubt have their own faults, did not preach panicky stopgap measures, but had some desire for a just and lasting society that we mortals could set up on our own.

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*, “partial and partisan” : One should read Ehrman’s Misquoting Jesus for the latter and Jesus, Interrupted for the earlier marks of all kinds of religious sect- and group-divisions and arguments over teachings in the New Testament. It’s particularly chuckleworthy — well, for an atheist anyway — to see it laid out how each of the nameless Gospel-writers had his own agenda, and thus a different way of telling, distorting and making up stories of Jesus. As a result, a deft one can quote the New Testament to support any degree of callousness or love: whatever is needed at the time.

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Then again, some Christians sidestep this all by saying, in a bit more ornate a way, that it doesn’t matter what “really” happened, what matters is the Jesus they themselves see, perceive and love. Fair enough, but someone like that shouldn’t comment on anyone else “forgetting the message of Christ”!

10 Responses to “Forgetting the message of Jesus, huh?”

  1. lilla29 Says:

    hmmm…interesting. I’m not a christian, or any religion for that matter. But, what I get from your blog, is that you fall into the same category as the extremists. The basic argument towards extremist christians is how literal they translate the bible…and you are doing the same exact thing. So in my book, nobody wins, just live your life and be a good person rather than trying to prove the “other-side” wrong.

  2. masksoferis Says:

    Surely I am not an extremist for being passionate about finding how things really are? (Well, trying to, anyway.)

    A literalist Bible-reader would say “this is what the Bible says; if the evidence differs, so much worse for the evidence!”, while (in my opinion anyway) my words are “this is what the evidence says, and if the Bible disagrees, well, so much worse for the Bible”.

  3. lilla29 Says:

    “passionate about finding how things really are?” Just because you think this is “how things really are,” does not mean that you are correct or wrong. It’s your guess…your thoughts.

    Again, you fall into the same category as the extremist by stating that this is where “evidence” has lead you. You are interpreting Jesus’ words according to how you personally understand them. Someone else may come to the opposite conclusion of yours by also interpreting Jesus’ words according to their own reason and logic.

  4. masksoferis Says:

    But surely some guesses, thoughts and conclusions are better, truer, than others, no?

    To say that the Gospel according to Mark is written by Mark Twain is simply false; evidence that all (well, most people anyway; there’s no pleasing everybody) can agree on tells the Gospel is much older than Twain. To say that the Gospel was written by Mark the companion of Paul is better; it at least seems to fit with when the text seems to have been written. Still, one can note that the Gospel never says who its writer was, and that some parts of it don’t read like one would expect that Mark to write it, and it is pseudonymous instead, and thus again by dispassionate examination of evidence some sort of tentative best-guess agreement on the Gospel’s real origins can be reached.

    It’s not like all guesses are equal: some require less leaps of logic and explain our evidence better, and I try to adopt those guesses that fit the facts best. (Then again I could be wrong: some very important fact could still be undiscovered, or forever lost, but that doesn’t mean a best guess and a bit of humility isn’t the best way of approaching things.)

  5. lilla29 Says:

    No…guesses, thoughts and conclusions are all the same…there is not one that is better or truer than the other. My argument could be, what if Jesus didn’t exist? What will be said of the “facts” and “evidence” then? You can’t prove to me that he did exist. We can only base what was said about him in Scriptures and what was said to be his word in Scripture. That’s where faith comes in.

  6. masksoferis Says:

    Uncritically reading the Scriptures and then invoking faith (“it’s so because I adamantly want it to be so”) to get to some conclusion does seem a bit dodgy to me, especially since with the help of faith people can reach wildly contradictory conclusions.

    (And proving things — well, I can’t absolutely prove to you that Jesus did or not exist. I can’t prove that Malaysia exists, either: it could be just a giant hoax organized by persons unknown; but accepting that we can’t ever be certain of everything, I think we still can be more certain of some things than of others, and accept some as very likely (like the existence of Malaysia) and provisionally true, and dismiss some (like the Malaysia-conspiracy) as exceedingly unlikely.)

  7. lilla29 Says:

    lol! I’m enjoying our little back and forth here. :)

    It is a bit dodgy, but how can we knock or judge others for what they believe?

  8. masksoferis Says:

    Well, everyone obviously has has the right (or more like “should have the right”) to believe whatever they want, whether it is that the Moon is made of green cheese or that the Moon is rock.

    That’s not the same as saying that one shouldn’t disagree with other people — and disagreement especially arises when some people try to effect their personal opinions on others. I suppose there would be some occasion for judging opinions if a politician proposed, based on his own opinions, solving the world’s food problems with a trillion-dollar Flight Project to the Moon Cheese.

    Whenever disagreements like this (this one is made up; or so I hope) rise, they’re about people telling others what to believe. Once that happens, there is much argument and probably also winning and losing sides: those that have substantiated their claims, told others why their opinion should be followed, and those that have crumbled into mumbling “It’s so because it’s so”. As an atheist, that seems like a division between reason and faith, between the evidence-based view of the world that keeps planes up and phones working, and the religious view that insists that one has to make a little leap… to the cheese that apparently petrifies once touched by human hands.

    It’s not a bad thing to be wrong, but it’s silly to keep holding a wrong opinion if it has been convincingly shown to be wrong. True, the new opinion can be wrong too, but at least it’s a more refined wrongness, and hopeless hopefully closer to truth.

    (This is indeed enjoyable back and forth.)

  9. lilla29 Says:

    You mean the moon isn’t made up of green cheese?!? (loved that btw!)

    happy friday and have a great weekend :)

  10. masksoferis Says:

    Likewise!

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